John Lennon X Todd Rundgren – Qualquer semelhança… seria mera coincidência? (Resgatando tópico do Orkut)

John Lennon e Todd Rundgren

Alguém já notou uma certa semelhança entre I saw the Light, de Todd Rundgren, e There´s a Place?

Lúcia Beatles Forever ॐ ॐ ॐ 20/04/2009

Aconteceu um fato na vida de John Lennon envolvendo Todd Rundgren, que gerou uma entrevista, a qual segue transcrita abaixo, e consequentemente uma resposta de John Lennon em forma de carta enviada por ele a Todd Rundgren, carta essa publicada na revista “Melody Maker” em resposta à entrevista de Rundgren em fev/74 na mesma revista.Aliás, Mark Chapman, o assassino de Lennon, era fã de Todd… será que há alguma relação nessa história toda?

Segue um trecho da entrevista:

Rundgren: tudo ou nada
por Ailan Jones
Revista “Melody Maker”: fevereiro de 1974

“John Lennon não é nenhum revolucionário. Ele é um idiota “f…”, homem! Brada pela revolução e age como um “bundão”. Isso só faz com que as pessoas se sintam desconfortáveis.”

“Tudo o que ele realmente quer fazer é chamar atenção pra si mesmo, e se a revolução tivesse a atenção dele, ele chamaria mais atenção que a própria revolução. Bater numa garçonete no Trovador. Que espécie de revolução é essa?”

“Ele é uma figura importante, claro. Mas Richard Nixon também foi. Nixon foi exatamente um John Lennon de outra geração. Alguém que representou toda espécie de ideais, mas ele mesmo ficou fora de todos eles.”

Não há dúvidas, essa criança é mesmo da pesada.

Todd não tem meias medidas: com ele é tudo ou nada. Se ele cair, certamente descerá até o inferno lutando.

A entrevista segue falando de outros assuntos.
……….

Lúcia Beatles Forever ॐ ॐ ॐ 20/04/2009

A resposta de John
Carta de John Lennon a Todd Rundgren, publicada na revista “Melody Maker” em resposta à entrevista de Rundgren em fev/74 na mesma revista:“Um leque de alface para Sodd Runtlestuntle (de dr. Winston o´boogie).

Não pude resistir em adicionar algumas verdades sobre mim mesmo, em resposta aos lamentos de ódio (dor) de Turd Runfgreen.

Lúcia Beatles Forever ॐ ॐ ॐ 20/04/2009

Prezado Todd,Gosto de você, e gosto de alguma coisa do seu trabalho, incluindo “I saw the light”, música esta que não é diferente de “There´s a place”, dos Beatles, melodia inteligente.

1) Eu nunca disse que sou um revolucionário. Mas tenho permissão para cantar sobre qualquer assunto que eu quiser! Certo?
2) Eu nunca bati numa garçonete no Troubador, realmente agi como um bundão, eu estava bêbado demais. Portanto pode me acusar!
3) Imagino que todos nós procuramos chamar atenção Rodd, você realmente acha que eu não sei como conseguir, sem “Revolution”? Pra começar eu poderia tingir meus cabelos de verde e rosa!
4) Eu não represento ninguém a não ser a mim mesmo. Parece que eu representava alguma coisa para você, ou você não teria sido tão violento comigo. (Talvez seu pai?)
5) Sim Dodd, a violência vem de maneiras misteriosas que não é de se surpreender, haja vista a sua performance, incluindo a verbal. Mas você deveria saber esse tipo de jogo de ideias (Mind Games), não deveria? Claro que sim.
6) Então o “Nazz” costuma agir “como rock pesado” depois de repente como uma “linda balada suave” . Que original!
7) Estas músicas me colocaram nos Beatles, “que não tinham nenhum outro estilo a não ser serem os Beatles”! Isso cobre uma porção de estilos homem, incluindo o seu próprio… ATUALIZADO…

Sim Godd, a única coisa que aqueles tais Beatles fizeram foi afetar o pensamento das pessoas. Talvez você necessite de outro conserto?

Alguém tocou sua mesmíssima canção de rock and roll para mim, mas nunca percebi nada. Acho que a verdadeira razão pela qual você está louco da vida comigo é porque eu não sabia que era você no Rainbow (Los Angeles).
Lembra aquela vez que você chegou com Wolfman Jack? Quando descobri mais tarde, até praguejei, porque eu queria dizer a você o quanto lhe achava bom. (Eu ouvi você no rádio).
De qualquer forma, embora você tenha me magoado muito querido: sempre te amarei.

J.L.
30-09-1974

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Lucinha ★ Zanetti ♥ ♪ ॐ★ॐ★ღ ॐ @. ღღ 22/04/2009

Mais algumas considerações:
Todd amava John loucamente, era seu fã. Mas Lennon estava muito ocupado com May Pang (1974) para saber “quem era Todd Rundgren”. Foi quando Lennon foi convidado para ir a um programa de TV em NY e passou direto por Todd, sem reparar nele, muito menos cumprimentá-lo!
Todd Rundgren foi aos jornais dizer que John Lennon era “metido”, “era uma farsa”.
John “comprou” um espaço num jornal de NY e respondeu a Todd dizendo:
_ ” Desculpe se passei por você e não lhe cumprimentei, não sabia quem você era, mas você nem me deu chance, depois, de dizer que “I saw the LIGHT” é uma música linda, pena que não passa de uma versão copiada de There´s a Place, meu primeiro IMAGINE”.
Tentando compreender esta frase de John e ouvindo a canção de Todd novamente, depois de ler sobre esta matéria antiga, pode-se imaginar que a melodia e a ideia passada por There´s a Place (Há um lugar), onde John “afirma” ser seu 1º Imagine, correspondem! Claro que Lennon estava de brincadeira, mas se a gente prestar atenção na melodia e na letra, Lennon dava seus primeiros suspiros numa Balada/Blues, com uma letra direta: “Existe um lugar para onde eu possa ir, quando eu me sentir pra baixo, quando eu me sentir triste”? E daí por diante…
Se olharmos bem a letra de There´s a Place, pode-se visualizar algo de, digamos, parecido, na exposição poética e no lirismo da letras de IMAGINE e THERES A PLACE.
Claro que John estava começando a compor e não tinha, ainda, a extensão necessária de uma linha de concordâncias, mas se a gente ouvir com atenção, notará algo parecido. Uma foi composta no inicio dos anos 60 (1962) e a outra, MAGINE, em 1971, quando John Lennon já estava mais politizado!
(Texto de JohnnydiBotafogo)Ah! E John Lennon havia apelidado Todd Rundgren de “The Voice”.
Lucinha ★ Zanetti ♥ ♪ ॐ★ॐ★ღ ॐ @. ღღ 22/04/2009

Todd Rundgren e a morte de John Lennon
Todd Rundgren and the death of John Lennon
http://www.rhino.co.uk/news-community,todd-rundgren-and-the-death-of-john-lennon_22.htm
Todd Rundgren’s second album, ‘Runt: The Ballad Of Todd Rundgren’ from 1971, with its focused, crafted and witty piano pop was described by Rolling Stone magazine as “the best album Paul McCartney never made”. But it would go on to have a far more sinister connection with The Beatles than anyone could have imagined.
On Monday, December 8 1980, a big fan of Rundgren’s woke up in the Sheraton hotel, New York. After putting his clothes on, he placed a copy of ‘The Ballad Of Todd Rundgren’ on the dressing table. Next to it he left a photo of himself from when he worked at a Vietnamese refugee camp along with a letter of thanks for his work there. He finished this tableau with the hotel Bible, which he had opened to John’s Gospel and written the word ‘Lennon’.
Mark Chapman was a big fan of Todd Rundgren. He learned the lyrics and studied the album sleeves for clues and was later particularly drawn to 1973’s ‘A Wizard, A True Star’ album, becoming convinced Todd was beaming signals to him. It was then that an article about the singer by Melody Maker journalist Allan Jones appeared focussing on Rundgren’s song ‘Rock And Roll Pussy’, said to be a critique of Lennon’s revolutionary stance. Lennon wrote an open letter to Todd in the music paper, stating:
“I guess we’re all looking for attention Rodd, do you really think I don’t know how to get it, without “revolution”?”
It’s said that this affected Chapman greatly. Just after 10:40pm, on the evening of the 8th, Mark Chapman approached John Lennon outside the Dakota hotel and shot him four times.
On the day he shot and killed John Lennon, Mark David Chapman left an eight-track tape of Rundgren’s album The Ballad of Todd Rundgren, along with other artifacts, in his New York hotel room in an orderly semicircle on the hotel dresser. “I left it as a statement, I guess,” he was quoted as saying in Let Me Take You Down: Inside the Mind of Mark David Chapman, the Man Who Killed John Lennon (Jack Jones, Villard Books, 1992). Chapman had been obsessed with Rundgren and told Jones, “Right between the chambers of your heart is how Rundgren’s music is to me. I cannot overestimate the depth of what his music meant to me.”
Lucinha ★ Zanetti ♥ ♪ ॐ★ॐ★ღ ॐ @. ღღ 22/04/2009

Rundgren: all or nothing
by Ailan Jones
Melody Maker February 1974
“John Lennon ain’t no revolutionary. He’s a fucking idiot, man. Shouting about revolution and acting like an ass. It just makes people feel uncomfortable.”
“All he really wants to do is get attention for himself, and if revolution gets him that attention, he’ll get attention through revolution. Hitting a waitress in the Troubador. What kind of revolution is that?”
“He’s an important figure, sure. But so was Richard Nixon. Nixon was just like another generation’s John Lennon. Someone who represented all sorts of ideals, but was out for himself underneath it all.”
No doubt about it, this kid is really heavy.
Todd Rundgren is fast becoming an anachronistic satellite burning through the stagnancy currently afflicting so much of rock.Dreams

In the face of the post-Woodstock Nation collapse of dreams and ideals, most rock ‘n’ rollers have backed themselves into creative cul-de-sacs.
Not Todd. He seems to have committed himself to a one-man campaign against all that inertia schmaltz and seems intent on blasting his way out of the hole that rock seems to be determined on burying itself in, with both barrels blazing.
No half measures: it’s all or nothing with Todd. And if he goes down, he’ll sure as hell go down fighting.
With his last couple of albums, “A Wizard, A True Star” and “Todd,” both classics, he’s taken it upon himself to attempt, in no uncertain way, to change the whole consciousness of the survivors of the Woodstock Nation.
“I guess a lot of people thought ‘Something/Anything’ was an overtly self-conscious effort to make the ultimate solo album, because they figured it must have taken a long time to make. But I breezed through it, man.”

Lucinha ★ Zanetti ♥ ♪ ॐ★ॐ★ღ ॐ @. ღღ 22/04/2009

Mind “It’s really surprising, when you go into a session with musicians and you have something specific in mind, it can take you all day to get them to play it. And when the specificity of the material is that acute then obviously the arrangement of the material becomes more important… ”
And you end up playing two thirds of it yourself. Utilizing the sounds of the instruments and not wasting your own time and the times of other musicians. But what kind of reaction did that album receive in the States?
“‘Something/Anything’ was like my artistic validation in the States. Everybody liked the songs so much that it really established my artistic identity. But in certain terms, it misled a lot of people.”
“Because if anyone picks up one of my albums and says that’s their favourite album, that might as well be the only album of mine they ever hear.”
“Because I don’t make records according to a style. I make records according to a need.”
Would you therefore care to elucidate on the mental evolution – the need – behind ‘A Wizard, A True Star?’
“I had a good analogy for that album yesterday. The ‘Wizard’ album was a picture of the average brain at work. Now there’s a distinction between the brain and the mind. Because the mind tells the brain what to think.”
“And the average person’s brain resembles the clutter of the ‘Wizard’ album. In fact, that was my brain, until I cleared it all out. That was my first stream of consciousness album.”
“It’s not supposed to have a concept other than a picture of the average brain at work. The subsequent albums were more like organizing the brain, so that you can bring some inspired thought through it.”
“People don’t usually think inspired thoughts because they’re usually too preoccupied with the immediate things that clutter up their brain.”
Lucinha ★ Zanetti ♥ ♪ ॐ★ॐ★ღ ॐ @. ღღ 22/04/2009

Smash
“The thing was, I was really trying to smash away the preconceptions about my records.”
As a personal statement, it was quite a provocation, wasn’t it? Not what you might call Easy Listening. More like some sort of psychic collage of erupting brain patterns.
“That was it, man. A deliberate provocation. It came out of a certain sense of being cornered stylistically. A lot of people were just presuming that I only wrote ‘Hullo, It’s Me’ – ‘I Saw The Light’ type songs.”
“whereas, I had originally been into a hard rock/heavy metal style. The reason I did both was that when I started the Nazz, I had this thing about being eclectic.”
“Like the Beatles had no style other than being the Beatles. So the Nazz used to do, like heavy rock, and also these light, pretty ballads with complex ballads.”
“And at the time that was something that people just didn’t do. You were supposed to have an easily associable style.”
“And that’s always been part of my problem. I’ve always had this incongruity of style and influence.”
“A lot of people still find it remarkable that I have a penchant for the conventional and pretty and the weird and abstract. That’s because I don’t make divisions in terms of music. I never have.”
“If I hear something I like, that’s it. It’s mine. The thing about music is that if you’re a good listener you can go window-shopping and own everything you see.”Follow

There were a few tracks on “Something” which indicated the direction that Todd would follow on “Wizard” but it seems unlikely that anyone was wholly prepared for the stance that he took on that album.
His dissatisfaction with the attitudes adopted by other contemporary figures – Lennon, for example – became obvious with “Rock and Roll Pussy” written for Lennon, and a searing indictment of rock’s so-called revolutionaries.

Lucinha ★ Zanetti ♥ ♪ ॐ★ॐ★ღ ॐ @. ღღ 22/04/2009

Todd’s World View,
became apparent on that album. The “Todd” double album epic carried that vision even further, and here was Todd cutting himself to the bone to communicate the urgency of that vision.
He emphasized, with the last side of that album, the need to reorganize the shattered dreams of the sixties and start out all over again.
“I don’t think that my attitude is unique, man. Everybody is dissatisfied with it all. But so many people are so cynical, thinking that there’s nothing that can be done about it. I don’t believe that.”
“I don’t see any point in accepting the fact that the world might blow up tomorrow, and not doing something about it. That’s a selfish attitude.”
“It might blow up, but there’s no point sitting around worrying and waiting for it. Are you gonna stop it happening by WORRYING about it?”Exist

“I believe in a pleasant reality. There are things that exist in this world that are desirable, but they are separated by a lot of undesirable things. Like, there are islands of truth in a sea of falsehood…”
“The truth is there. I believe that it’s my responsibility to stand by it, and not be a pussy. Not punk out when it looks unfashionable to stand by those ideals.”
That is, surely, an isolated position to maintain?
“At this point, I may think that. But I know for a fact that there are a lot of people that feel the same way as I do, but they’re so afraid of looking like asses.”
“All it takes is for one person to risk making a fool of himself and everyone’ll do it. I’m having a great time. I’m more commercially successful than I’ve ever been.”
“My personal life is at a new high. My outlook on existence is at a new high…”
If The Revolution comes, can rock ‘n’ roll, as a form, contribute to, or even precipitate a confrontation?

Lucinha ★ Zanetti ♥ ♪ ॐ★ॐ★ღ ॐ @. ღღ 22/04/2009

“It can, sure. But a lot of people want to see it happening in a very obvious way. That’s because they don’t think well enough. I think there is a revolution happening, but the people who are so frustrated that they go out and act violently are the people who don’t believe that it’s gonna happen.”
“There the ones who’re afraid that it won’t happen. Force it to happen, you know, and that is because their belief isn’t basically strong enough, and because they’re basically weak people.”Face

“They can’t stand by their convictions in the face of adversity. The leaders who people remember and revere – anybody who made an effect on the human mine – was someone whose instrument was the human mind. People who have made an effect on the body – once the body died, the effect was gone. I can’t name you one American general or soldier who is a household word.”
“But Christ is a household word. So is Ghandi, Buddha, and Confucius….”
“You have to understand violence to make adequate use of it. There is that degree of frustration in everybody, which can be manifested in violence. Something happens, and the people suddenly feel like being violent.”
“That’s because they don’t understand violence. They don’t understand its use, disuse or misuse. In the long run there’s no such thing as good or bad.”
“But there are in human terms things that are desirable and undesirable. All things have their function and violence has it’s place.”

Lucinha ★ Zanetti ♥ ♪ ॐ★ॐ★ღ ॐ @. ღღ 22/04/2009

Carta resposta de John Lennon a Todd
http://www.geocities.com/dr_boogie/interviews/rundgren/johnletter.htmJohn Lennon’s Letter to Todd Rundgren
Published in Melody Maker in response Rundgren’s February 1974 interview in the same magazine
AN OPENED LETTUCE TO SODD RUNTLESTUNTLE. (from dr. winston o’boogie)
Couldn’t resist adding a few “islands of truth” of my own, in answer to Turd Runtgreen’s howl of hate (pain.)

Lucinha ★ Zanetti ♥ ♪ ॐ★ॐ★ღ ॐ @. ღღ 22/04/2009

Dear Todd,
I like you, and some of your work, including “I Saw The Light”, which is not unlike “There’s A Place” (Beatles), melody wise.
1) I have never claimed to be a revolutionary. But I am allowed to sing about anything I want! Right?
2) I never hit a waitress in the Troubador, I did act like an ass, I was too drunk. So shoot me!
3) I guess we’re all looking for attention Rodd, do you really think I don’t know how to get it, without “revolution?” I could dye my hair green and pink for a start!
4) I don’t represent anyone but my SELF. It sounds like I represented something to you, or you wouldn’t be so violent towards me. (Your dad perhaps?)
5) Yes Dodd, violence comes in mysterious ways it’s wonders to perform, including verbal. But you’d know that kind of mind game, wouldn’t you? Of course you would.
6) So the Nazz use to do “like heavy rock” then SUDDENLY a “light pretty ballad”. How original!
7) Which gets me to the Beatles, “who had no other style than being the Beatles”!! That covers a lot of style man, including your own, TO DATE…..
Yes Godd, the one thing those Beatles did was to affect PEOPLES’ MINDS. Maybe you need another fix?
Somebody played me your rock and roll pussy song, but I never noticed anything. i think that the real reason you’re mad at me is cause I didn’t know who you were at the Rainbow (L.A.) Remember that time you came in with Wolfman Jack? When I found out later, I was cursing cause I wanted to tell you how good you were. (I’d heard you on the radio.)
Anyway, However much you hurt me darling; I’ll always love you,J. L.

30th Sept. 1974

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